how do I tell the difference between when the message was received and when the message was picked up in MPI_Test?


From: [] On Behalf Of Ralph Castain
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 1:00 PM
To: Open MPI Users
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [OMPI users] unacceptable latency in gathering process


Out of curiosity, have you logged the time when the SP called "send" and compared it to the time when the message was received, and when that message is picked up in MPI_Test? In other words, have you actually verified that the delay is in the MPI library as opposed to in your application?



On Oct 3, 2012, at 9:40 AM, "Hodge, Gary C" <> wrote:

Hi all,

I am running on an IBM BladeCenter, using Open MPI 1.4.1, and opensm subnet manager for Infiniband


Our application has real time requirements and it has recently been proven that it does not scale to meet future requirements.

Presently, I am re-organizing the application to process work in a more parallel manner then it does now.


Jobs arrive at the rate of 200 per second and are sub-divided into groups of objects by a master process (MP) on its own node.

The MP then assigns the object groups to 20 slave processes (SP), each running on their own node, to do the expensive computational work in parallel.

The SPs then send their results to a gatherer process (GP) on its own node that merges the results for the job and sends it onward for final processing.

The highest latency for the last 1024 jobs that were processed is then written to a log file that is displayed by a GUI.

Each process uses the same controller method for sending and  receiving messages as follows:


For (each CPU that sends us input)





While (true)


                For (each CPU that sends us input)



If (message was received)


                Copy the message

Queue the copy to our input queue




If (there are messages on our input queue)


                … process the FIRST message on queue (this may queue messages for output) ….


                For (each message on our output queue)







My problem is that I do not meet our applications performance requirements for a job (~ 20 ms) until I reduce the number of SPs from 20 to 4 or less.

I added some debug into the GP and found that there are never more than 14 messages received in the for loop that calls MPI_Test.

The messages that were sent from the other 6 SPs will eventually arrive at the GP in a long stream after experiencing high latency (over 600 ms).


Going forward, we need to handle more objects per job and will need to have more than 4 SPs to keep up.

My thought is that I have to obey this 4 SPs to 1 GP ratio and create intermediate GPs to gather results from every 4 slaves.


Is this a contention problem at the GP?

Is there debugging or logging I can turn on in the MPI to prove that contention is occurring?

Can I configure MPI receive processing to improve upon the 4 to 1 ratio?

Can I improve the controller method (listed above) to gain a performance improvement?


Thanks for any suggestions.

Gary Hodge



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