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Subject: Re: [OMPI users] Building 1.6.3 on OS X 10.8
From: Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) (jsquyres_at_[hidden])
Date: 2013-02-11 13:35:32


Ah -- your plugins are all .a files.

How did you configure/build Open MPI?

On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Mark Bolstad <the.render.dude_at_[hidden]> wrote:

> It's not just one plugin, it was about 6 of them. I just deleted the error message from the others as I believed that opal_init was the problem.
>
> However, I have done a full build multiple times and have blown away all the plugins and other remnants of the build and install and get the same results every time.
>
> Here's the output from running ompi_info (same result with or w/o OPAL_PREFIX are the same; LD_LIBRARY_PATH set; path points to both bin and lib directory ):
>
> [bolstadm-lm3:~/papillon/build/src] bolstadm% ompi_info Package: Open MPI bolstadm_at_bolstadm-lm3 Distribution
> Open MPI: 1.6.3
> Open MPI SVN revision: r27472
> Open MPI release date: Oct 24, 2012
> Open RTE: 1.6.3
> Open RTE SVN revision: r27472
> Open RTE release date: Oct 24, 2012
> OPAL: 1.6.3
> OPAL SVN revision: r27472
> OPAL release date: Oct 24, 2012
> MPI API: 2.1
> Ident string: 1.6.3
> Prefix: /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3
> Configured architecture: x86_64-apple-darwin12.2.1
> Configure host: bolstadm-lm3
> Configured by: bolstadm
> Configured on: Sun Feb 10 19:09:36 EST 2013
> Configure host: bolstadm-lm3
> Built by: bolstadm
> Built on: Sun Feb 10 19:16:52 EST 2013
> Built host: bolstadm-lm3
> C bindings: yes
> C++ bindings: yes
> Fortran77 bindings: no
> Fortran90 bindings: no
> Fortran90 bindings size: na
> C compiler: gcc
> C compiler absolute: /usr/bin/gcc
> C compiler family name: GNU
> C compiler version: 4.2.1
> C++ compiler: g++
> C++ compiler absolute: /usr/bin/g++
> Fortran77 compiler: gfortran
> Fortran77 compiler abs: /usr/bin/gfortran
> Fortran90 compiler: none
> Fortran90 compiler abs: none
> C profiling: yes
> C++ profiling: yes
> Fortran77 profiling: no
> Fortran90 profiling: no
> C++ exceptions: no
> Thread support: posix (MPI_THREAD_MULTIPLE: no, progress: no)
> Sparse Groups: no
> Internal debug support: no
> MPI interface warnings: no
> MPI parameter check: runtime
> Memory profiling support: no
> Memory debugging support: no
> libltdl support: yes
> Heterogeneous support: no
> mpirun default --prefix: no
> MPI I/O support: yes
> MPI_WTIME support: gettimeofday
> Symbol vis. support: yes
> Host topology support: yes
> MPI extensions: affinity example
> FT Checkpoint support: no (checkpoint thread: no)
> VampirTrace support: yes
> MPI_MAX_PROCESSOR_NAME: 256
> MPI_MAX_ERROR_STRING: 256
> MPI_MAX_OBJECT_NAME: 64
> MPI_MAX_INFO_KEY: 36
> MPI_MAX_INFO_VAL: 256
> MPI_MAX_PORT_NAME: 1024
> MPI_MAX_DATAREP_STRING: 128
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_paffinity_hwloc: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_carto_auto_detect: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_carto_file: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_shmem_mmap: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_shmem_posix: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_shmem_sysv: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_maffinity_first_use: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_maffinity_hwloc: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_sysinfo_darwin: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_errmgr_default: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_grpcomm_bad: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_grpcomm_basic: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_ess_env: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_ess_hnp: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_ess_singleton: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_ess_slave: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_ess_slurm: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_ess_slurmd: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_ess_tool: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_notifier_command: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_notifier_syslog: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_oob_tcp: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_odls_default: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_iof_hnp: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_iof_orted: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_iof_tool: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_ras_cm: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_ras_slurm: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_rmaps_load_balance: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_rmaps_rank_file: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_rmaps_resilient: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_rmaps_round_robin: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_rmaps_seq: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_rmaps_topo: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_rml_oob: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_routed_binomial: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_routed_cm: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_routed_direct: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_routed_linear: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_routed_radix: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_routed_slave: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_plm_rsh: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_plm_slurm: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_filem_rsh: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_allocator_basic: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_allocator_bucket: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_coll_basic: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_coll_hierarch: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_coll_inter: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_coll_self: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_coll_sm: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_coll_sync: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_coll_tuned: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_io_romio: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_rcache_vma: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_mpool_fake: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_mpool_rdma: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_mpool_sm: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_pml_bfo: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_pml_cm: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_pml_csum: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_pml_ob1: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_pml_v: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_osc_pt2pt: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_osc_rdma: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_btl_self: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_btl_sm: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_btl_tcp: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_topo_unity: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_pubsub_orte: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> [bolstadm-lm3:86426] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_dpm_orte: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> MCA backtrace: execinfo (MCA v2.0, API v2.0, Component v1.6.3)
> MCA timer: darwin (MCA v2.0, API v2.0, Component v1.6.3)
> MCA installdirs: env (MCA v2.0, API v2.0, Component v1.6.3)
> MCA installdirs: config (MCA v2.0, API v2.0, Component v1.6.3)
> MCA hwloc: hwloc132 (MCA v2.0, API v2.0, Component v1.6.3)
>
> And here's an example of a plugin reported as an error:
> [bolstadm-lm3:~/papillon/build/src] bolstadm% l /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_paffinity_hwloc*
> /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_paffinity_hwloc.a
> /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_paffinity_hwloc.la*
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) <jsquyres_at_[hidden]> wrote:
> That's very idd; I cant think of why that would happen offhand. I build and run all the time on ML with no problems. Can you deleted that plugin and run ok?
>
> Sent from my phone. No type good.
>
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 10:22 PM, "Mark Bolstad" <the.render.dude_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
> > I having some difficulties with building/running 1.6.3 on Mountain Lion (10.8.2). I build with no errors and install into a prefix directory. I get the following errors:
> > ...
> > [bolstadm-lm3:38486] mca: base: component_find: unable to open /Users/bolstadm/papillon/build/macosx-x86_64/Release/openmpi-1.6.3/lib/openmpi/mca_shmem_sysv: lt_dlerror() returned NULL! (ignored)
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > It looks like opal_init failed for some reason; your parallel process is
> > likely to abort. There are many reasons that a parallel process can
> > fail during opal_init; some of which are due to configuration or
> > environment problems. This failure appears to be an internal failure;
> > here's some additional information (which may only be relevant to an
> > Open MPI developer):
> >
> > opal_shmem_base_select failed
> > --> Returned value -1 instead of OPAL_SUCCESS
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > [bolstadm-lm3:38486] [[INVALID],INVALID] ORTE_ERROR_LOG: Error in file runtime/orte_init.c at line 79
> > [bolstadm-lm3:38486] [[INVALID],INVALID] ORTE_ERROR_LOG: Error in file orterun.c at line 694
> >
> > I've fiddled with LD_LIBRARY_PATH, DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH, OPAL_PREFIX, in combination and separately, and none of these seem to have much effect.
> >
> > So, I decided to try a straight build. The only option was --disable-mpi-f77. It installed into /usr/local. There is no other mpi version installed on the system, and I still get the same errors.
> >
> > However, I did install the version from MacPorts (also 1.6.3), and it works correctly.
> >
> > I would appreciate if anyone had some insight into building on OS X 10.8.
> >
> > Mark
> >
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