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Subject: Re: [OMPI users] General question on the implementation of a"scheduler" on client side...
From: Olivier Riff (oliriff_at_[hidden])
Date: 2010-05-21 03:13:30


Hello Jeff,

thanks for your detailed answer.

2010/5/20 Jeff Squyres <jsquyres_at_[hidden]>

> You're basically talking about implementing some kind of
> application-specific protocol. A few tips that may help in your design:
>
> 1. Look into MPI_Isend / MPI_Irecv for non-blocking sends and receives.
> These may be particularly useful in the server side, so that it can do
> other stuff while sends and receives are progressing.
>

-> You are definitively right, I have to switch to non blocking sends and
receives.

>
> 2. You probably already noticed that collective operations (broadcasts and
> the link) need to be invoked by all members of the communicator. So if you
> want to do a broadcast, everyone needs to know. That being said, you can
> send a short message to everyone alerting them that a longer broadcast is
> coming -- then they can execute MPI_BCAST, etc. That works best if your
> broadcasts are large messages (i.e., you benefit from scalable
> implementations of broadcast) -- otherwise you're individually sending short
> messages followed by a short broadcast. There might not be much of a "win"
> there.
>

-> That is what I was thinking about to implement. As you mentioned, and
specifically for my case where I mainly send short messages, there might not
be much win. By the way, are their some benchmarks testing sequential
MPI_ISend versus MPI_BCAST for instance ? The aim is to determine up which
buffer size a MPI_BCast is worth to be used for my case. You can answer that
the test is easy to do and that I can test it by myself :)

>
> 3. FWIW, the MPI Forum has introduced the concept of non-blocking
> collective operations for the upcoming MPI-3 spec. These may help; google
> for libnbc for a (non-optimized) implementation that may be of help to you.
> MPI implementations (like Open MPI) will feature non-blocking collectives
> someday in the future.
>
>
-> Interesting to know and to keep in mind. Sometimes the future is really
near.

Thanks again for your answer and info.

Olivier

> On May 20, 2010, at 5:30 AM, Olivier Riff wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a general question about the best way to implement an openmpi
> application, i.e the design of the application.
> >
> > A machine (I call it the "server") should send to a cluster containing a
> lot of processors (the "clients") regularly task to do (byte buffers from
> very various size).
> > The server should send to each client a different buffer, then wait for
> each client answers (buffer sent by each client after some processing), and
> retrieve the result data.
> >
> > First I made something looking like this.
> > On the server side: Send sequentially to each client buffers using
> MPI_Send.
> > On each client side: loop which waits a buffer using MPI_Recv, then
> process the buffer and sends the result using MPI_Send
> > This is really not efficient because a lot of time is lost due to the
> fact that the server sends and receives sequentially the buffers.
> > It only has the advantage to have on the client size a pretty easy
> scheduler:
> > Wait for buffer (MPI_Recv) -> Analyse it -> Send result (MPI_Send)
> >
> > My wish is to mix MPI_Send/MPI_Recv and other mpi functions like
> MPI_BCast/MPI_Scatter/MPI_Gather... (like I imagine every mpi application
> does).
> > The problem is that I cannot find a easy solution in order that each
> client knows which kind of mpi function is currently called by the server.
> If the server calls MPI_BCast the client should do the same. Sending at each
> time a first message to indicate the function the server will call next does
> not look very nice. Though I do not see an easy/best way to implement an
> "adaptative" scheduler on the client side.
> >
> > Any tip, advice, help would be appreciate.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Olivier
> >
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