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Subject: Re: [OMPI users] Dynamic processes connection and segfault on MPI_Comm_accept
From: Ralph Castain (rhc_at_[hidden])
Date: 2010-04-23 21:51:09


In thinking about this, my proposed solution won't entirely fix the problem - you'll still wind up with all those daemons. I believe I can resolve that one as well, but it would require a patch.

Would you like me to send you something you could try? Might take a couple of iterations to get it right...

On Apr 23, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Ralph Castain wrote:

> Hmmm....I -think- this will work, but I cannot guarantee it:
>
> 1. launch one process (can just be a spinner) using mpirun that includes the following option:
>
> mpirun -report-uri file
>
> where file is some filename that mpirun can create and insert its contact info into it. This can be a relative or absolute path. This process must remain alive throughout your application - doesn't matter what it does. It's purpose is solely to keep mpirun alive.
>
> 2. set OMPI_MCA_dpm_orte_server=FILE:file in your environment, where "file" is the filename given above. This will tell your processes how to find mpirun, which is acting as a meeting place to handle the connect/accept operations
>
> Now run your processes, and have them connect/accept to each other.
>
> The reason I cannot guarantee this will work is that these processes will all have the same rank && name since they all start as singletons. Hence, connect/accept is likely to fail.
>
> But it -might- work, so you might want to give it a try.
>
> On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:10 AM, Grzegorz Maj wrote:
>
>> To be more precise: by 'server process' I mean some process that I
>> could run once on my system and it could help in creating those
>> groups.
>> My typical scenario is:
>> 1. run N separate processes, each without mpirun
>> 2. connect them into MPI group
>> 3. do some job
>> 4. exit all N processes
>> 5. goto 1
>>
>> 2010/4/23 Grzegorz Maj <maju3_at_[hidden]>:
>>> Thank you Ralph for your explanation.
>>> And, apart from that descriptors' issue, is there any other way to
>>> solve my problem, i.e. to run separately a number of processes,
>>> without mpirun and then to collect them into an MPI intracomm group?
>>> If I for example would need to run some 'server process' (even using
>>> mpirun) for this task, that's OK. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Grzegorz Maj
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/4/18 Ralph Castain <rhc_at_[hidden]>:
>>>> Okay, but here is the problem. If you don't use mpirun, and are not operating in an environment we support for "direct" launch (i.e., starting processes outside of mpirun), then every one of those processes thinks it is a singleton - yes?
>>>>
>>>> What you may not realize is that each singleton immediately fork/exec's an orted daemon that is configured to behave just like mpirun. This is required in order to support MPI-2 operations such as MPI_Comm_spawn, MPI_Comm_connect/accept, etc.
>>>>
>>>> So if you launch 64 processes that think they are singletons, then you have 64 copies of orted running as well. This eats up a lot of file descriptors, which is probably why you are hitting this 65 process limit - your system is probably running out of file descriptors. You might check you system limits and see if you can get them revised upward.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Grzegorz Maj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I know. The problem is that I need to use some special way for
>>>>> running my processes provided by the environment in which I'm working
>>>>> and unfortunately I can't use mpirun.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/4/18 Ralph Castain <rhc_at_[hidden]>:
>>>>>> Guess I don't understand why you can't use mpirun - all it does is start things, provide a means to forward io, etc. It mainly sits there quietly without using any cpu unless required to support the job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like it would solve your problem. Otherwise, I know of no way to get all these processes into comm_world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Grzegorz Maj wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I'd like to dynamically create a group of processes communicating via
>>>>>>> MPI. Those processes need to be run without mpirun and create
>>>>>>> intracommunicator after the startup. Any ideas how to do this
>>>>>>> efficiently?
>>>>>>> I came up with a solution in which the processes are connecting one by
>>>>>>> one using MPI_Comm_connect, but unfortunately all the processes that
>>>>>>> are already in the group need to call MPI_Comm_accept. This means that
>>>>>>> when the n-th process wants to connect I need to collect all the n-1
>>>>>>> processes on the MPI_Comm_accept call. After I run about 40 processes
>>>>>>> every subsequent call takes more and more time, which I'd like to
>>>>>>> avoid.
>>>>>>> Another problem in this solution is that when I try to connect 66-th
>>>>>>> process the root of the existing group segfaults on MPI_Comm_accept.
>>>>>>> Maybe it's my bug, but it's weird as everything works fine for at most
>>>>>>> 65 processes. Is there any limitation I don't know about?
>>>>>>> My last question is about MPI_COMM_WORLD. When I run my processes
>>>>>>> without mpirun their MPI_COMM_WORLD is the same as MPI_COMM_SELF. Is
>>>>>>> there any way to change MPI_COMM_WORLD and set it to the
>>>>>>> intracommunicator that I've created?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Grzegorz Maj
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