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From: Jelena Pjesivac-Grbovic (pjesa_at_[hidden])
Date: 2007-06-19 14:43:42


Hi,

You should definitely try everything people before me mentioned.
Also, try running single process per node - and see if it happens.

I do not have some great insight about this issue - but I did have similar
problem in March. Unfortunately it went away (don't remember how - either
by me quiting doing those tests or.. - so we never filed a bug). It won't
help you but maybe will help Brian for debugging purposes.

Anyway, here is what I think was happening with our bug.
we would see occasionally a benchmark livelocking in Barrier
with large(r) number of processes with two processes per node (80+) over
(pml ob1, btl mx,sm,self).
However, the problem did not occur with (pml cm, mtl mx).

We ended up concluding that, on a node the following would occur:
1) send request from barrier would be still marked as active
2) the pending queue was empty and remaining data size was 0,
    implying that MCA_PML_BASE_REQUEST_MPI_COMPLETE was not called.

After (quite a bit of debugging) we concluded that the sequence numbers of
the packets in the requests on the receiver side were not correct. So the
message was either sent with incorrect sequence number, or received with
incorrect number (which is lower than the "correct" sequence number, and
thus ignored). This conclusion may or may not be correct :-)

I am pretty sure that the problem is not in collective itself. I would
run 1 process per node, until Brian is done with his stuff.

Cheers,
Jelena

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Jeff Squyres wrote:

> On Jun 19, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Chris Reeves wrote:
>
>> I've had a look through the FAQ and searched the list archives and
>> can't find
>> any similar problems to this one.
>>
>> I'm running OpenMPI 1.2.2 on 10 Intel iMacs (Intel Core2 Duo CPU).
>> I am
>> specifiying two slots per machine and starting my job with:
>> /Network/Guanine/csr201/local-i386/opt/openmpi/bin/mpirun -np 20 --
>> hostfile
>> bhost.jobControl nice -19 /Network/Guanine/csr201/jobControl/
>> run_torus.pl
>> /Network/Guanine/csr201/models-gap/torus/torus.ompiosx-intel
>>
>> The config.log and output of 'ompi_info --all' are attached.
>>
>> Also attached is a small patch that I wrote to work around some
>> firewall
>> limitations on the nodes (I don't know if there's a better way to
>> do this -
>> suggestions are welcome). The patch may or may not be relevant, but
>> I'm not
>> ruling out network issues and a bit of peer review never goes amiss
>> in case
>> I've done something very silly.
>
> From the looks of the patch, it looks like you just want Open MPI to
> restrict itself to a specific range of ports, right? If that's the
> case, we'd probably do this slightly differently (with MCA parameters
> -- we certainly wouldn't want to force everyone to use a hard-coded
> port range). Brian's also re-working some TCP and OOB issues on a /
> tmp branch right now; we'd want to wait until he's done before
> applying a similar patch.
>
>> The programme that I'm trying to run is fairly hefty, so I'm afraid
>> that I
>> can't provide you with a simple test case to highlight the problem.
>> The best I
>> can do it provide you with a description of where I'm at and then
>> ask for some
>> advice/suggestions...
>>
>> The code itself has run in the past with various versions of MPI/
>> LAM and
>> OpenMPI and hasn't, to my knowledge, undergone any significant changes
>> recently. I have noticed delays before, both on this system and on
>> others,
>> when MPI_BARRIER is called but they don't always result in a permanent
>> 'spinning' of the process.
>
> My first question is: why are you calling MPI_BARRIER? ;-)
>
> Clearly, if we're getting stuck in there, it could be a bug. Have
> you run your code through a memory-checking debugger? It's hard to
> say exactly what the problem is without more information -- it could
> be your app, it could be OMPI, it could be the network, ...
>
> It's a good datapoint to run with other MPI implementations, but "it
> worked with MPI X" isn't always an iron-clad indication that the new
> MPI is at fault. I'm not saying we don't have bugs in Open MPI :-)
> -- I'm just saying that I agree with you: more data is necessary.
>
>> The 20-node job that I'm running right now is using 90-100% of
>> every CPU, but
>> hasn't made any progress for around 14 hours. I've used GDB to
>> attach to each
>> of these processes and verified that every single one of them is
>> sitting
>> inside a call to MPI_BARRIER. My understanding is that once every
>> process hits
>> the barrier, they should then move on to the next part of the code.
>
> That's correct. FWIW, you shouldn't need to wait 14 hours to tell
> this; you can assume that if *all* processes are stopped in the same
> MPI_BARRIER for any length of time (to include just a few seconds),
> the job is hung.
>
>> Here's an example of what I see when I attach to one of these
>> processes:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------
>>
>> Attaching to program: `/private/var/automount/Network/Guanine/
>> csr201/models-gap/torus/torus.ompiosx-intel', process 29578.
>> Reading symbols for shared libraries ..++++
>> +....................................................................
>> done
>> 0x9000121c in sigprocmask ()
>> (gdb) where
>> #0 0x9000121c in sigprocmask ()
>> #1 0x01c46f96 in opal_evsignal_recalc ()
>> #2 0x01c458c2 in opal_event_base_loop ()
>> #3 0x01c45d32 in opal_event_loop ()
>> #4 0x01c3e6f2 in opal_progress ()
>> #5 0x01b6083e in ompi_request_wait_all ()
>> #6 0x01ec68d8 in ompi_coll_tuned_sendrecv_actual ()
>> #7 0x01ecbf64 in ompi_coll_tuned_barrier_intra_bruck ()
>> #8 0x01b75590 in MPI_Barrier ()
>
> Just a quick sanity check: I assume the call stack is the same on all
> processes, right? I.e., ompi_coll_tuned_barrier_intra_bruck () is
> the call right after MPI_BARRIER?
>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be happening
>> here? Is there
>> any way to 'tickle' the processes and get them to move on?
>
> It is unlikely. If everyone is waiting in the barrier, then
> something went wrong. They're going to stay there until OMPI thinks
> that everyone has hit the barrier.
>
>> What if some
>> packets went missing on the network? Surely TCP should take care of
>> this an
>> resend?
>
> One would assume so, yes. But the timeout may be very, very long.
>
> What is the topology of the network that you're running on?
>
>> As implied by my line of questioning, my current thoughts are that
>> some messages between nodes have somehow gone missing. Could this
>> happen? What
>> could cause this? All machines are on the same subnet.
>
> Hmm. On a single subnet, but you need the firewall capability -- are
> they physically remote from each other, or do you just have the local
> firewalling capabilities enabled on each node?
>
> --
> Jeff Squyres
> Cisco Systems
>
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Jelena Pjesivac-Grbovic, Pjesa
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Innovative Computing Laboratory
Computer Science Department, UTK
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