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Subject: Re: [MTT devel] GSOC application
From: Mike Dubman (mike.ompi_at_[hidden])
Date: 2009-03-23 09:53:53


I'm playing with google datastore now and will send some proposal and
thoughts.

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Jeff Squyres <jsquyres_at_[hidden]> wrote:

> Yes, I think you're right -- making a "schema" for the datastore might be
> quite easy. I'm on travel all this week and likely won't be able to look
> into this stuff -- can you guys post a proposal and we can dive into it from
> that angle?
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2009, at 6:48 AM, Mike Dubman wrote:
>
> Hello guys,
>>
>> I`m not sure if we should preserve current DB schema, from one simple
>> reason - datastore is an object oriented storage and have different rules
>> and techniques then rdbms.
>> The basic storage unit in the datastore is an object which can be saved,
>> loaded and queried.
>> (hadoop is based on the same principles, but open source.)
>>
>> It seems that DB model for mtt over datastore should not be complex at
>> all. The current mtt db schema is mostly optimized for specific queries
>> dictated by web UI. Datastore creates indexes automatically, based on
>> submitted queries history.
>>
>> I suggest we discuss/exchange db layout proposals by emails and when we
>> get to some general understanding how it should look like - we switch to
>> telepresence.
>>
>> Also, It seems not problem at all to get datastore access for existing
>> gmail account. You get 500MB quota for storage. It takes 5min to start using
>> it.
>>
>> Here is some short info for datastore API:
>> - howto submit data model to datastore
>> - howto save, load, query
>>
>>
>> http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/python/gettingstarted/usingdatastore.html
>>
>> please comment.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Jeff Squyres <jsquyres_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>> On Mar 20, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Josh Hursey wrote:
>>
>> Yeah I think this sounds like a good way to move forward with this
>> work. The database schema is pretty complex. If you need help on the
>> database side of things let me know.
>>
>> To get started, would it be useful to have a meeting over the phone/
>> telepresence to design the datastore layout? This gives us an
>> opportunity to start from a blank slate with regards to the
>> datastore, so it may be useful brainstorm a bit beforehand.
>>
>>
>> Yes, it probably would. My understanding of hadoop (which is very
>> highlevel) is that just dump everything in without too much concern about
>> the structure / "schema". But I could be wrong on that.
>>
>>
>> The Google Apps account is under my personal Google account, so I'm
>> reluctant to use it. I think the reason it took so long for me, was
>> because when I originally signed up it was in limited beta. I think
>> the approval time is much shorter now (maybe a day?), and we can make
>> an openmpi or mtt account that we can use.
>>
>> With regard to Hadoop, I don't think that IU has a set of machines
>> that would work, but I can ask around. We could always try Hadoop on
>> a single machine if people wanted to play around with data querying/
>> storage.
>>
>> I don't have a strong preference either way, but Google Apps may
>> provide us with a lower overhead solution for the long run even
>> though it costs $$.
>>
>>
>>
>> It looks like there is a set that you can use for free. When you go over
>> one of several metrics (CPU hours/day, storage, bandwidth in, bandwidth out,
>> etc.), then you have to start paying. But even with that, the costs look
>> *quite* reasonable and should be easily covered by the combined Open MPI
>> organizations (I'm talking hundreds of dollars here, not tens of thousands).
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Squyres
>> Cisco Systems
>>
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