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Subject: Re: [OMPI devel] RFC: Pineapple Runtime Interposition Project
From: Ralph Castain (rhc_at_[hidden])
Date: 2012-06-16 10:32:14


Hi Josh

I had a chance to review your code this morning, and generally find it is okay with me. I see a couple of things that appear to limit it, though they may be intentional:

1. the call to pineapple_init really needs a third flag to define the process type. Locking the underlying orte_init to MPI seems to somewhat defeat your goal of allowing pineapple to be used for non-MPI purposes

2. the barrier and other collectives are locked to the MPI_Init and MPI_Finalize procedures due to hardcoding of the collective id. You might want to consider altering the API to pass a collective id down so these functions can be used in other places.

Finally, we have to get rid of the "pineapple" name. It seems to me that the primary purpose of this work is to allow ORTE to be used more generally, and to support multiple variants of ORTE within OMPI. So how about calling it "ORte Abstraction Layer", or ORAL? This would emphasize that we are not trying to create the ultimate generalized RTE abstraction, which I think is important for all the reasons raised at the recent meeting.

HTH
Ralph

On Jun 15, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Josh Hursey wrote:

> What: A Runtime Interposition Project - Codename Pineapple
>
> Why: Define clear API and semantics for runtime requirements of the OMPI layer.
>
> When:
> - F June 22, 2012 - Work completed
> - T June 26, 2012 - Discuss on teleconf
> - R June 28, 2012 - Commit to trunk
>
> Where: Trunk (development BitBucket branch below)
> https://bitbucket.org/jjhursey/ompi-pineapple
>
> Attached:
> PDF of slides presented on the June 12, 2012 teleconf. Note that the
> timeline was slightly adjusted above (work completed date moved
> ealier).
>
>
> Description: Short Version
> --------------------------
> Define, in an 'rte.h', the interfaces and semantics that the OMPI
> layer requires of a runtime environment. Currently this interface
> matches the subset of ORTE functionality that is used by the OMPI
> layer. Runtime symbols (e.g., orte_ess.proc_get_locality) are isolated
> to a framework inside this project to provide linker-level protection
> against accidental breakage of the pineapple interposition layer.
>
> The interposition project provides researchers working on side
> projects above and below the 'rte.h' interface a single location in
> the code base to watch for interface and semantic changes that they
> need to be concerned about. Researchers working above the pineapple
> layer might explore something other than (or in addition to) OMPI
> (e.g., Extended OMPI, UPC+OMPI). Researchers working below the
> pineapple layer might explore something other than (or in addition to)
> ORTE under OMPI (e.g., specialized runtimes for specific
> environments).
>
>
> Description: Other notes
> ------------------------
> The pineapple interface provides OMPI developers with a runtime API to
> program against without requiring detailed knowledge of the layout of
> ORTE and its frameworks. In some places in OMPI a single source file
> needs to include >5 (up to 12 in one place) different header files to
> get all of the necessary symbols. Developers must not only know where
> these headers are, but must also understand the differences between
> the various frameworks in ORTE to use ORTE. The developer must also be
> aware that there are certain APIs and data structure fields that are
> not available to the MPI process, so should not be used. The pineapple
> project provides an API representing the small subset of ORTE that is
> used by OMPI. With this API a developer only needs to look at a single
> location in the code base to understand what is provided by the
> runtime for use in the OMPI layer.
>
> A similar statement could be made for runtime developers trying to
> figure out what the OMPI layer requires from the a runtime
> environment. Currently they need a deep understanding of the behavior
> of ORTE to understand the semantics of various calls to ORTE from the
> OMPI layer. Then they must develop a custom patch for the OMPI layer
> that extracts the ORTE symbols, and replaces them with their own
> symbols. This process is messy, error prone, and tedious to say the
> least. Having a single set of interfaces and semantics will allow such
> developers to focus their efforts on supporting the Open MPI community
> defined API, and not necessarily the evolution of the ORTE or OMPI
> project internals. This is advantageous when porting Open MPI to an
> environment with a full featured runtime already running on the
> machine, and for researchers exploring radical runtime designs for
> future systems. The pineapple API allows such projects to develop
> beside the mainline Open MPI trunk a little more easily than without
> the pineapple API.
>
>
> FAQ:
> ----
> (1) Why is this a separate project and not a framework of OMPI? or a
> framework of ORTE?
>
> After much deliberation between the developers, from a software
> engineering perspective, making the pineapple rte.h interface a
> separate project was the most flexible solution. So neither the OMPI
> layer nor the ORTE layer 'own' the interface, but it is 'owned' by the
> Open MPI project primarily to support the interaction between these
> two layers.
>
> Consider that if we decided to place the interface in the OMPI layer
> as a framework then we would be able to place something other than (or
> in addition to) ORTE underneath OMPI, but we would be limited in our
> ability to place something other than (or in addition to) OMPI over
> ORTE. Alternatively, if we decided to place the rte.h interface in the
> ORTE layer then we would be able to place something other than (or in
> addition to) OMPI over ORTE, but we would be limited in our ability to
> place something other than (or in addition to) ORTE under OMPI.
> Defining the interposition layer as a separate project between these
> two layers allows maximal flexibility for the project and researchers
> working on side branches.
>
>
> (2) What if another project outside of Open MPI needs interface
> changes to the pineapple 'rte.h'?
>
> The rule of thumb is that 'The OMPI/ORTE/OPAL stack is king!'. This
> means that the pineapple project should always err on the side of
> supporting the OMPI/ORTE/OPAL stack, as that is the flagship product
> of the Open MPI project. Interface suggestions are always welcome and
> the rte.h may be extended/modified in the future as a result of those
> suggestions. However, if a suggested change negatively impacts the
> OMPI/ORTE/OPAL stack then it is unlikely to be accepted upstream by
> the Open MPI community.
>
>
> --
> Joshua Hursey
> Postdoctoral Research Associate
> Oak Ridge National Laboratory
> http://users.nccs.gov/~jjhursey
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