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Subject: Re: [OMPI devel] [OMPI users] cartofile
From: Kenneth Lloyd (kenneth.lloyd_at_[hidden])
Date: 2009-10-13 14:09:12


I agree with Terry and Eugene, but now what are we going to do about it?
This is a potentially very powerful feature.

Ken
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: devel-bounces_at_[hidden]
> [mailto:devel-bounces_at_[hidden]] On Behalf Of Terry Dontje
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:08 AM
> To: Open MPI Developers
> Subject: Re: [OMPI devel] [OMPI users] cartofile
>
> After rereading the manpage for the umpteenth time I agree
> with Eugene
> that the information provided on cartofile is next to
> useless. Ok, so
> you describe what your node looks like but what does mpirun
> or libmpi do with that information? Other than the option to
> provide the cartofile it isn't obvious how a user or libmpi
> uses this information.
>
> I've looked on the faq and wiki and have not found anything
> yet on how one "current" uses cartofile.
>
> --td
>
> Eugene Loh wrote:
> > This e-mail was on the users alias... see
> > http://www.open-mpi.org/community/lists/users/2009/09/10710.php
> >
> > There wasn't much response, so let me ask another question.
> How about
> > if we remove the cartofile section from the DESCRIPTION
> section of the
> > OMPI mpirun man page? It's a lot of text that illustrates how to
> > create a cartofile without saying anything about why one
> would want to
> > go to the trouble. What does this impact? What does it change?
> > What's the motivation for doing this stuff? What's this
> stuff good for?
> >
> > Another alternative could be to move the cartofile description to a
> > FAQ page.
> >
> > The mpirun man page is rather long and I was thinking that
> if we could
> > remove some "low impact" stuff out, we could improve the overall
> > signal-to-noise ratio of the page.
> >
> > In any case, I personally would like to know what
> cartofiles are good for.
> >
> > Eugene Loh wrote:
> >> Thank you, but I don't understand who is consuming this
> information
> >> for what. E.g., the mpirun man page describes the carto file, but
> >> doesn't give users any indication whether they should be worrying
> >> about this.
> >>
> >> Lenny Verkhovsky wrote:
> >>> Hi Eugene,
> >>> carto file is a file with a staic graph topology of your node.
> >>> in the opal/mca/carto/file/carto_file.h you can see example.
> >>> ( yes I know that , it should be help/man list :) ) Basically it
> >>> describes a map of your node and inside interconnection.
> >>> Hopefully it will be discovered automatically someday,
> but for now
> >>> you can describe your node manually.
> >>> Best regards
> >>> Lenny.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Eugene Loh <Eugene.Loh_at_[hidden]
> >>> <mailto:Eugene.Loh_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I feel like I should know, but what's a cartofile? I
> guess you
> >>> supply "topological" information about a host, but I
> can't tell
> >>> how this information is used by, say, mpirun.
> >>>
> >
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