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On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 10:05 +0300, Jeff Squyres wrote:
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Nadia Derbey wrote:
> > What: Define a way for the system administrator to prevent users from
> > overwriting the default system-wide MCA parameters settings.
> In general, I think this is great stuff. I have a few nit picks.
Thanks for having a look at it!
> (BTW: you might want to run contrib/hg/build-hgignore.pl in your svn
> +hg tree to generate a proper .hgignore file...?)
> I'm currently unable to build the hg tree -- it gets a version with a
> newline in it which causes badness in the Makefile. For example:
> *** Checking versions
> checking for SVN version... done
> checking Open MPI version... 1.4a1hgf11244ed72b5
> up to changeset c4b117c5439b
> checking Open MPI release date... Unreleased developer copy
> checking Open MPI Subversion repository version... hgf11244ed72b5
> up to changeset c4b117c5439b
> checking for SVN version... done
??? May be something went wrong with my mqueues for the last changeset
(I recognize the qnew message in the version...).
Until I fix that, the solution would be to revert back to changeset
db3595643dd2 (the very last changeset is not important at all).
> Do you see this, or do you get a single-line version number?
> > When openmpi-priv-mca-params.conf is parsed, any parameter listed in
> > that file is moved from the mca_base_param_file_values list to a new
> > parallel list (mca_base_priv_param_file_values). The parameter remains
> > "hidden" in that new list.
> I haven't looked at the code deeply, so forgive me if I'm parsing this
> wrong: is the code actually reading the file into one list and then
> moving the values to another list? If so, that seems a little
> hackish. Can't it just read directly to the target list?
We could read directly to target list if we had 2 files giving settings
(as described in ticket 75):
one for the "classical" system-wide parameters
one for for the "privileged", system-wide parameters.
But the solution I'm proposing is different: we have one file for the
settings, and one file that lists the parameters names that should not
be changed once they have been set:
1) openmpi-mca-params.conf is the one we all know.
It contains the system-wide mca parameters settings.
notifier_threshold_severity = notice
2) openmpi-priv-mca-params.conf. This file contains the list of mca
parameters that cannot be changed once they have been set in
openmpi-mca-params.conf (only the parameter name is in that file, not
openmpi-mca-params.conf is parsed first. The list
mca_base_param_file_values is populated with all the parameters set in
Then openmpi-priv-mca-params.conf is parsed. This file, as described
earlier, only contains the list of those parameters that if set in
openmpi-mca-params.conf, shouldn't be changed. So, any parameter listed
in openmpi-priv-mca-params.conf is moved from mca_base_param_file_values
to a newly defined list (mca_base_priv_param_file_values).
Then the remaining files are parsed as usual.
As explained below, the lookup order is changed to ensure that
mca_base_priv_param_file_values is the very first list to be scanned: if
a parameter is found there, we are done.
> > The lookup order has been changed: the new
> > mca_base_priv_param_file_values list is the very 1st one to be
> > scanned:
> > this is how we ensure that the "privileged" parameters are never
> > overwritten once defined on a system-wide basis.
> > Other external changes:
> > 1. The man page for mpirun(1) has been changed.
> > 2. The ompi_info(1) output has been changed to reflect the status of
> > these "privileged" parameters. The status field can now be one of
> > "read-only", "writable" or "privileged".
> This seems a little funky, too. Isn't a privileged param actually
> read only (in an abstract sense)? Meaning: you can't change priv
> param values, so they're "read only". "Priv" feels more like a
> "source" attribute, doesn't it...? I.e., it's a read-only param, and
> the source of the attribute is the special priv file.
It's true that I first thought of that read-only status, but I haven't
kept the idea: from an open mpi pov, read-only is an "immutable" status:
it is hard coded, and a variable that is read-only cannot easily become
rightable. So an mpi user who does an ompi_info and sees that a
parameter is read-only knows that he will never have a chance to change
While these "privileged" params have a different status: they are
read-only while listed in the openmpi-priv-mca-params.conf, but they can
become writable if removed from that file.
So, instead of read-only, why not "system-wide-only"?
> > 3. A new option has been added to ompi_info(1): --privileged
> > it outputs only the list of parameters that have been defined as
> > system-wide-only.
> This also feels a bit weird -- I took a quick look through the --priv
> handling in ompi_info and it seems there's a bunch of corner cases.
> Can you describe what happens and what corner cases occur with --priv?
Don't if I'm answering your question:
Let's take the example above (notifier_threshold_severity decalred as
privileged, with a value = notice):
$ ompi_info --param btl sm --privileged
should not output anything, since we don't have any priv parameter in
$ ompi_info --param notifier twitter --privileged --parsable
events at or above this severity [default: critical]
Here notifier_threshold_severity is output since it belongs to the
notifier framework, but is not related to any component.
$ ompi_info --param notifier all --privileged --parsable
should have the same output as the previous command for the same reason
$ ompi_info -a --privileged --parsable
Still same as above since we are asking for all the parameters
Well, after writing all this, I had a look at the code and discovered
what might look as an unhandled corner cases: --privileged not combined
with one of --all or --param: in that case, the "--privileged" option
has the same effect as ompi_info without any option.
ex: "ompi_info --path bindir --privileged" acts as "ompi_info"
May be a syntax error should be output in such a case?
I'll look at this more carefully.
> > TODO list:
> > . Make this feature configurable.
> Per my prior post, I think that if we make this configurable, it has
> to be a configure script option (not a run-time mca parameter).
> > . Output a warning message as described in the ticket.
> That would be nice.
> > Possible extension to this functionality:
> > This new functionality can be extended in the future in the following
> > way: allow the administrator to specify boundaries within which an MCA
> > parameter is allowed to be changed by a higher priority setting. This
> > means that the administrator should declare min and max values (or
> > even
> > a set of discrete values) for any such parameter. Then, any higher
> > priority setting will be done only if the new value belongs to the
> > declared set.
> > In other word, each MCA parameter can be
> > 1. set to a given value in openmpi-mca-params.conf
> > 2. declared in openmpi-priv-mca-params.conf with its allowed
> > boundaries
> > Then, if the user calls mpirun with that MCA parameter set in his
> > private mca-params.conf file, or in an AMCA file, or in an environment
> > variable, or on the command line, the new value will override the
> > system-wide value only if it is within the declared boundaries.
> > This could be thought of as a future development.
> Jeff Squyres
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Nadia Derbey <Nadia.Derbey_at_[hidden]>